How could "Death of Empedokles", a film from 1986 based on the drama by German poet Friedrich Hölderlin, be envisioned in the year 2009? Filmmaker Robert Bramkamp will talk about formats and will question forms of mediation and a possible rediscovery of the unique quality which is present in the "kinematographic material". The digital presence of a new copy made from the first reel of the Hamburger version is a starting point but will not only lead to questions of distribution but also black holes. Black holes from two interviews, Robert Bramkamp made with Jean-Marie Straub and Danièle Huillet in 1986 and 1997 and filmed on 16mm. Where the image is black as the material was short, new voices will re-enact and speak now, 2009, when nobody could imagine to complain about the lack of material. A conversation between a 16mm past and a digital presence.